Interview
2024-06-28

Sector coupling needs consistent communication An interview with Martin Müller of Phoenix Contact on the lack of standards and looking beyond the horizon of the fieldbus world.

Martin Müller, specialist in industrial communication at Phoenix Contact

Brief summary

From the infamous fieldbus wars to specific Ethernet protocols right through to truly uniform communication based on global standards – that sounds almost too good to be true. Over medium term, can the latest developments truly go somewhere? With communication that no longer really cares about what it is used for in the end? That is to say, one cable for every application. Martin Müller uses the term “convergent networks” for this. In an interview with Thorsten Sienk, the Phoenix Contact veteran in the area of fieldbuses explains why these networks are so important for linking very different sectors.

Interview

Thorsten Sienk:
Interbus, PROFIBUS, CANopen: I can remember a time when there were entire specialist magazines full of all sorts of fieldbus systems. Around the turn of the millennium, it felt that the automation industry was spending more time on developing communication modules than on actual machine functions. They experienced the birth of fieldbuses and also what later became known in the media as the fieldbus wars. So why all of this effort?*

Martin Müller:
What we later called the fieldbus wars really kicked off in the early 1990s. The need for communication between controllers and the sensors and actuators in the field essentially resulted from a tangible source of stress: the parallel wiring of sensors with machine controllers and huge cable harnesses. The development of fieldbuses promised enormous savings and was supported by the state in a so-called joint project. Back then, PROFIBUS, in which Phoenix Contact was involved and what was later closely linked to Siemens, was being specified.

Thorsten Sienk:
In my memory, however, Phoenix Contact was synonymous with INTERBUS.

Martin Müller:
Yes. We were commercially successful with INTERBUS S. S stands for Speed. There was also a C version, which stood for “Communication”, together with Intel and Digital Equipment. At the very beginning, there was also the INTERBUS P as a PROFIBUS spin-off. Ultimately, the INTERBUS S was the only commercial success for Phoenix Contact.

Thorsten Sienk:
Without looking in the rearview mirror too much. Why did the automation industry later decide to bury the classic fieldbuses and use Ethernet instead?

Martin Müller:
The advantage of Ethernet was its ability to transmit more types of different information with one cable. In the past, we had three distinct cables for communication: classic fieldbus, communication for safety technology, and Ethernet for networking intelligent subsystems. Nobody wanted to operate two or three different cables next to each other anymore. This was the start for systems such as CC-Link, EtherCAT®, Powerlink, Sercos3, and also PROFINET.

Thorsten Sienk:
But even here, there was one automation manufacturer behind every name promoting their own system. Would it not have been smarter to take the experience from the coexistence of fieldbuses in order to effectively prevent the uncontrolled growth in protocols? Colleagues from the specialist press were already predicting the second fieldbus war. Individual developments instead of common pacts: had the industry learned nothing?

Martin Müller:
If I look back at the time before the classic fieldbuses, the competition between the various systems was based on the simple fact that there was no standardized communication. There was therefore the need to develop something. This resulted in differentiations between the market competitors. Your question becomes relevant at the latest with the introduction of real time Ethernet – knowing full well that ongoing business depends on these different communication systems for the companies. This applied just as much to the fieldbuses as it does to the Ethernet protocols being further developed.

New systems and convergent networks are what we need for sector coupling.

Martin Müller - Phoenix Contact GmbH & Co. KG, Head of Automation Infrastructure
Martin Müller, specialist in industrial communication at Phoenix Contact

Thorsten Sienk:
But is this still sustainable? In terms of understanding, the communication path is only a means to an end in obtaining information sent from A to B. Is it absolutely necessary to apply generally applicable standards here?*

Martin Müller:
Above all, we need new systems and convergent networks. By this I mean technologies from commercial use that we can also use in industry. They must be specified accordingly.

Thorsten Sienk:
Does that mean merging the world?

Martin Müller:
Exactly, namely into a convergent network in which different technologies are used. TSN, for example, as wired Ethernet for real time. TSN, or Time Sensitive Network, was originally developed for applications in the field of audio and video broadcasting, but can also be used for time-critical tasks in industrial applications, such as motion control. Then we have 5G for applications that require cellular communication, and WLAN 6 and 7 in the field of license-free, wireless transmission technology. Single Pair Ethernet, or SPE, on the other hand, is ideal for communication through to the field level.

Thorsten Sienk:
So, everything needed for the new unified world of industrial communication is already available.

Martin Müller:
Exactly. If we summarize the examples mentioned, I already have technologies available today that, based on standards, can fulfill all the requirements of the industry-specific solutions that we implemented and marketed in the past.

Thorsten Sienk:
Where we are today

Martin Müller:
The question is not so much where we are, but where we should be.

Thorsten Sienk:
So, where should we be?

Martin Müller:
Where we are already in the private sector. As a user, I do not think about the technologies my smartphone uses. It has cellular communication and hopefully also 5G, Bluetooth, and NFC for payments. I do not care which brand I use when I want to make a phone call. A Google phone communicates with an iPhone in the same way as an Android device.

Thorsten Sienk:
Based on the thesis that functioning sector coupling requires powerful, consistent communication, what is Phoenix Contact doing about this?

Martin Müller:
We are actively involved in the relevant user and standardization committees and are not only investing time, but also money. We are convinced of the benefits of sector coupling and are fully committed to promoting the All Electric Society. We are therefore actively involved and are not waiting for others to develop something that we will then take on. This goes so far that we are not only working on technical solutions, but above all we are convincing people that the path to a world that will, in the long term, cover its energy needs entirely through renewable energies, is the right one. So, we are not just communicating at the machine level, we are also taking people with us. At least, that is our long-term goal.

We need information for sector coupling.

Martin Müller - Phoenix Contact GmbH & Co. KG, Head of Automation Infrastructure
Martin Müller, specialist in industrial communication at Phoenix Contact

Thorsten Sienk:
You are taking early retirement this year. You have 36 years at Phoenix Contact behind you and just as long a professional life that has been characterized by industrial communication. I really do not want to ask what it will be like to let go of your profession. But, what do you want in terms of communication within an electrified world?

Martin Müller:
I mentioned convergent networks at the beginning. I would like us to become faster at developing these and using them. When I look back, it has taken us a long time to develop industrial communication in many areas. In the commercial environment, for example in telecommunications, the stakeholders are used to a much faster pace.

Thorsten Sienk:
In its role as digital natives, can the younger generation take on the task of easing off the brake and stepping on the gas?

Martin Müller:
I can easily imagine that this generation, especially due to its upbringing and history, will have little understanding of why we operate so many different communication systems in industrial automation. Why we do this, simply because we are holding on to existing business practices, makes no real sense in the long term. In view of the global climate challenges, we need to focus even more on ensuring that, for example, a flow meter measures the flow, and not on how I can get it connected. This means that the function and not the connection is key. We need information for sector coupling. The path is only the means.

Thorsten Sienk:
Martin Müller, thank you for this interview. I think you will miss this industry.

Author: Thorsten Sienk

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